No Celebrity's 1st BLUES Guitar class

Marty MacMillan began teaching his second Adult BLUES Guitar Class in his first year at GAND MUSIC & SOUND-- "Gand Events" <gms [at] gand [dot] com> -- on Tuesday. This is a four part class that will likely be extended for a while longer.

I was pleased to see eight of us signed up for the class, including a female. As I play mostly by ear (with my fingers) I felt a little slow getting up to speed, even though I understood everything in the lessons given us to practice for next week. Five pages with variations on typical/classic blues lines. Marty kept mentioning Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughn with a sprinkling of BB KING. Most of the lessons echo SRV.

My problem is I think I stink until I figure out how, or am able to play something, then I think it's so easy I must not be very good. I need to review my SRV to see if I can hear how certain parts should sound (i.e. how much "swing" or what I think Marty called "hoppy-ness," as the six-line notation/tabs has very little of that).

My style has developed over the years from being almost entirely self-taught (if you don't count all the lifts I've gotten from various live videos). In third grade I had 5-6 months of violin. Seventh Grade I had three guitar lessons where I learned the "E" and "A" major chords, also how to strum (a no-brainer). A year of Piano lessons in Eighth Grade taught me how to read music, but I was so mediocre my teacher moved away. Had plenty of experience in school and church Singing (my best instrument). I have an excellent vocal range (when I practice) and can sing/hum/whistle almost any tune I hear (which, I understand is the true definition of "perfect pitch").

I picked up guitar again in College after my two main girlfriends (one at a time) both played and wrote their own songs. I had recorded an idea for a song with only vocals (two cassette recorders). I bought a used electric guitar from a younger classmate, Jim Trippe (grandson of Pan Am founder Juan Trippe, played by Alec Baldwin in "The Aviator") who had his own four-track recorder and also wrote his own songs. I had lyrics and melody for a theme song for my screenplay "The Shuffle" in a matter of hours, but took a couple years to figure out accompaniment.

My guitar playing up to now has been almost entirely dictated by my interest in song writing (melodies and lyrics come from my head). I can play five ZEP tunes fairly well as I sing the lyrics, a couple jazz tunes and a few others. I write for guitar when I'm experimenting or learning a skill or looking for accompaniment (60-70% the lyric comes second). The secret to writing good music (like creating good art) is to do a lot of it, and only play the really good stuff. Often times, a good riff is hard to recall the next day, unless it infects you, grows and/or has lyrics. I have hundreds of rejected lyrics.

Back to the class--I play with my fingers, so Marty didn't like my trying the "rakes" without a pick. I then tried my pick, but when I got home, I tried imitating the sound with my thumbnail and it sounded pretty good (for something that is more noise than music). The drawback to playing with fingers and nails is you don't get the same sound--not as much attack, not as loud, not as clear. The advantages of playing with fingers is you have five of them and can use them in more different ways than a pick. For me, it's much easier to find the right string with my fingers feeling around. How Jimmy Page plays some bits with a pick and three fingers independently at the same time is amazing. I agree with Roy's high praise for Jimmy. I love it when I catch the amazing riffs thrown in by other guitar "gods" too.

I wonder if I'm really supposed to do certain parts with a hammer-on, and I do one bit with pull-offs that Marty didn't indicate. It's funny how some bits I play are comparatively easy to parts I've written myself, yet I'm having more trouble mastering them for two reasons -- I'm trying to interpret another's piece, and some finger spacings/positions are different than I'm used to. Third reason, I'm trying to learn five pages in one week. For myself, I play fast bits with a lot of hammer-ons, pull-offs, slide- and bend-ups (and downs), but I get to decide how I want to play them/how they should sound.

Anyway, I was inspired to take a class by the podcast. I think it was Matt Churchill who said he took a class, even though he's already an accomplished guitarist. Any excuse to swallow my pride...

Three more classes to go, but it will probably continue. Wish me luck!

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Bob Jacobs's picture

Good luck!

Most of what you wrote was double dutch to my unredeemably musically-uneducated mind but I admire you for trying!

Bob

It's About Time!

What's to admire? I've been playing for myself for almost 30 years!

Thanks. It's fun, and since we're all well into adulthood, it's obvious we all had some of the same expectations.

And if you were referring to the writing instead of the music, quadruple dutch to you! (just trying to funny, hope I didn't mis-translate).

Jack

Second Class Session

Wow. I got to class and felt pretty good, having practiced all five pages of "homework." I sounded pretty good as I warmed up before class, and others were at various levels, some unsure of themselves. Then Marty handed out two new sheets with more complicated tablatures. Except for one of the short riffs, I was lost. I looked around and everyone else SEEMED to pick up the music easily, much better than me. All centered around a bluesy 9th chord I'm not used to, and everyone else seemed to understand the convention of naming the fret for the root note of the chord, not the lowest fingered fret (as I'm used to). I tried to follow Marty's verbal and visual instructions at the same time I was trying to read the music. Big mistake. I got home, looked at the music, and I understood it. One of the two pages was suddenly easy. The other page may require me to listen my recording to hear the rhythm/swing and time notation (which isn't normally included in tablatures) since I didn't recognize the bits. I just got the H4 Handy Recorder, visit www.zoom.co.jp, a great little digital recorder (SD cards) with a lot of options and features. The great thing about it is it's so small/The worst thing about it is it's so small! It's about $300, and Gand Music and Sound sold a second one after the class saw me using mine.
aspwatterson's picture

On line guitar lessons?

Any on line guitar lessons you'd recommend on internet available for blues / acoustic / ragtime stuff?

 

chrs

andi

Not a Big Browser

Sorry, Andi. I'm an odd one. This site takes the lion's share of my activity (just a few hours per week with all sites combined.) These are my first lessons on guitar in decades as I'm mostly self taught. Practice, practice, practice... I'd check sites for musicians you like, they might recommend.

I took Corky Siegel's "class" about 5-6 months ago (he gives the same class all around--a one-time thing). His site may have suggestions or useful ideas for you at www.chamberblues.com. You may want to visit gms [at] gand [dot] com for their links (you can also find my bald spot in the new photo for Marty's Blues Guitar Class). Gand sponsors 2 weekly open Blues Jams in Chicagoland, they post some performances.

There must be plenty of possibilities online. I hate browsing for stuff because I waste so much time. (SORRY, again!) If you get tablature, you still need to know/hear the music, since tabs have no clues for time signatures or rhythm, etc. This is a problem for most in my current class (I started recording examples the second week, this is a vast improvement). As far as tabs, I think everyone finds some fingering solutions they prefer that are different or easier for them.

aspwatterson's picture

Thanks man!

I'll have more time soon when set up Internet at home with a dongle.

 

chrs

andi

aspwatterson's picture

Tabs

Some of my stuff [especially Open tunings D, C/F, Gm] I've only ever read a few bars from the Tab, never listened to how the original sounded, and made up my own timing and constructions from the few shapes I've picked up. So it almost sounds pretty original some of it , although there are certain musicians better than me who can read music who claim that Open Tunings are cheating. I've been arguing that one for years because how can it be cheating if it's all different shapes and the guitar sounds more resonant anyway when in  a full Open Tuning? Ask Jimi Page! It's hard to sound original and every month we attend the local Blues Club and a lot of it sounds so, so repetitive with the same riffs, songs, progressions over and over again. Know what I mean?

Anyway if you didn't get the Splinters CDs from Nick Lane recently there may be more available if you ask him. Two of my tracks are on there. If you like them I'll send you some more stuff home produced outakes mainly but bit wacky and interesting to like minded acoustic guitar explorers of consciousness!

 

chrs

andi

Open Tuning and Bar Chords?

Without open tuning we'd never have seen Jimmy P. play the guitar with a violin. My Blues instructor claims their importance just as much as those Ninth chords. (but he thinks JP is "sloppy." How dare he?)

Rejecting Open Tuning and Bar Chords is like a parent saying they're only going to love and care for their children born Monday through Friday, and to ignore those born on the weekend just because! I've felt the same way, but notes are notes! I use standard Open tuning pretty exclusively, but those six notes are just as important. What's next? Finger picking styles, different picks? Use what works for you and you'll eventually learn the rest.

If Taylor Guitars has vid of Chris Proctor, you can see a phenomenal guitarist who has picks on his Thumb, Fore, Middle, and Ring fingers (no pinky). He plays the bottom three with his thumb. Steven King (not the horror novelist/guitarist) a finger-picking champ plays classical style without picks. It's all good.

Taking a class exposes you to what other people do. Marty wants us to play around, not necessarily stick to his tabs. I realized I've been using blues scales all my life, just some of the odd chords and open combinations are new to me.

Hopefully, I'll get around to getting that Splinters CD. I sound good when my fingers are hitting the right strings, but I stick with strumming rhythms for my vocal accompaniment, and it's harder for me to play along with others. It's not just that I'm a diva (with an inferiority complex!).

no celebrity

So. I am trying - for the first time to respond to a stormcvock posting, after a long time lurking , to post. This is a very appropriate place to start. I am a long time player, and a short time novice, ok what does this mean... I am a work in progress... any time an experienced player, esp. one who makes part of a living teaching, critcizes, take it with a grain of sand or tongue in cheeck,,, after all it is job security! Plough on with what you are doing and if the opputunity comes up...get out there and PLAY!!! rock on, Barbara PS SRV is only ONE player... not to be saccreligous but well play your own stuff. only you can

KEEP IT UP, BarbaraR!

Well, thanks for the response, BarbaraR! I'm taking the class because I was inspired by all the good players that still take classes, and my close musical friends have pretty much given up to concentrate on their other careers and families. Also inspired by Matt Churchill (I think) from the podcasts who took Jazz(?) guitar lessons to expand his abilities. That's my hope.

I'm essentially self-taught on guitar since I was 20 (now 49). Had violin(3rd grade) and piano lessons(eight grade) plus lots of singing in chorus and church. Both girlfriends in college wrote and played songs on guitar. I've been writing songs since teens, but will only acknowledge 13 of the lyrical ones (only show your good work!) so far.

Blues is not usually my thing, I like livelier music, but I incorporate what I learn into my own stuff. I find I understand the techniques well, but take longer to learn the music and new chord changes. I probably practice more than most in the class because I have more free time.

Other reason I took the class is to play with other people! We may perform in a few months at the open blues jam partly sponsored by the owners of Gand Music and Sound, Gary and Joan Gand. I've sung in groups, for family and friends, but never anything big or commercial.

Thanks for the encouragement and inspiration. If I can offer you the same, keep posting (or PM on the forums).

P.S. I found the blogs need some old html codes for Paragraph breaks, etc. I like SRV well enough, but horrors... my teacher doesn't care for JP!

No Celebri's Blues Guitr classes

I think classes, esp with like minded people, are great. Me, I am a bass player ( in search of a drummer - a thankless task :) ). so, good to hear your classes are going well! I am surrounded by musicians, so many who play by EAR!!! I am so, well , jealous would sum it up nicely. Can't sing, well in public, but I can read music. grew up in a time when it was taught in school - I'm your age. so, that makes a big difference. when trying to figure out something I sit down at the piano and can pick out the notes so can hear what it sounds like. try to ignore all the talent around that can "hear" the music and can pick it out. I think with age the wisdom comes to just be patient and work forward with what you know. we are all life long learners, and besides I have met the most curious and supportive folks in classes and workshops...isn't it great to be part of this music community???! Play on, Barbara ( who really enjoys blues music ).

Third Session of BLUES guitar class

It's funny. We get tablature for a couple or more songs. Marty (teacher) explains the fingering, plays a CD for rhythm accompaniment, and plays it a few times, then we all dive in! Some get the fingering from Marty, others begin practicing the fingering the moment they get the sheets (ignoring Marty at this stage). The second class, I got lost trying to follow his explanation, except for one fast and tricky bit (the easy stuff was hard?). The third class, I studied the TABS instead, and was better at playing along. Marty doesn't return to last week's lessons, he keeps us learning new stuff, and it's actually good!

I made a conscious decision years ago to push myself two levels beyond my ability when practicing, and am always amazed that it occasionally work. "Hearing" the music is important. Some of us quickly forget the sound of the pieces, there are no time signatures in tabs (unlike piano/sheet music). The more you practice, the more you remember the way the music should sound, and the tabs serve merely as reminders.

I can't yet "jam" in public, where I'd make up stuff based upon the root notes and blues scales (First, Fourth, Fifth, with minor Thirds and minor Sevenths are most common) but sometimes, after long practice I start to "noodle around" (a jazz/swing term). I find when I record these experiments with accompaniments for songs I have written, I can usually pick out the best/good stuff and compose a lead guitar track to go with my song more easily!

If you have Garage Band (comes with Apple) or a 4-track recorder like the H4 Handy recorder, www.zoom.co.jp, and are technically minded, I suggest you give it a try. It's fun, you'll think you're great when you have success, before you go back to wondering if you're worthy.

Blues isn't my first choice, but in Chicago, all good music tends to be called Blues. I love that Roy doesn't stick with one style of music. Love "Highway Blues," "MCP Blues," and his live version of Big Bill Broonzy's "Key to the Highway," to name a few.

Eight of us in this class of four weeks (at least seven said they'd continue), and a separate class begins next Tuesday. Five months ago, only one class of ADULTS did three four-week classes. No one signed up for the other finger-style/picking class. I'm doing the blues finger style (the other seven use a pick).

Good luck, and don't give up. You must love something about playing music, and that's all the reason we need.

I'll look for you on the FORUM too. Love and Kisses, BarbaraR (hope I don't get you in trouble!)

aspwatterson's picture

Jimi Page Area [Heavy Metal] '89

Got  to :

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XIz9N3kb5kA

 

If link dunna work just type in 'Open tunings Jimi Page' on a worldwide Google search.

 

Good luck

 

andi

6th day of classes -- ROY would be proud.

Got back from my latest BLUES Guitar class and when I saw the name of the song we were learning today, my jaw dropped! Not a Roy Harper original, but one he knows.

Big Bill Broonzy's "Key To The Highway," which ROY did live at his 60th Birthday Concert. Now I can learn to play it just like... Well, maybe Broonzy or Clapton, but our instructor only knows Mr. Harper through me, and he don't know "skiffle." I have the song on a CD mix of Harper in my car, listened and sang twice on the way home.

Is it just a coincidence that last night I posted my choice for December's Harper Song of the Month? (Well, yeah, probably. But how cool is that!)

I'm still too slow to pick up all the notes in one class, so it's hard to play along, but once I hear it (and I recorded Marty's version) it's only a matter of practice...