the verse that time forgot

[alsithi]

Hi

Can anyone tell me what tuning this song is in please?

[critch]

From memory, I'm sure there is a full tab on rooben.com. The link across there used to be on harperspace.com

Sorry I can't be more help.

[alsithi]

nice one!! cheers

[Uriel]

Carp! I have a new guitar arriving tomorrow and Rooben.com has gone missing.

Any leads?

[critch]

Hmmmnn! Didn't know that! I *may* have the tab for verse/time on my HDD in my other compy - or rather Sarah's compy that I fitted my old HDD in after I got my laptop. I'll have a look at some point, although you'll have to remind me!

[Rainbow]

For alsithi & Uriel: A D A D Fsharp A (Low to high strings) is the open tuning used on the Rooben transcription as I recall. I can't write it all out right now, but the following fingerings in roughly the right order may get you started:

II--4 II--4 II--0 II--0 II--2 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--2 II--0 II--0 II--0
II--7 II--5 II--3 II--2 II--0 II--0 II--2 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--2 II--0
II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0
II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--5 II--5 II--5 II--5 II--2 II--2 II--2 II--2
II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--4 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0
II--4 II--4 II--0 II--0 II--5 II--5 II--0 II--0 II--2 II--2 II--2 II--2

That's the first part ... sorry got to take a break ... finger's gone dead (one finger typing)!! Get back later for remainder :)

* In notation above: II represents the nut of guitar and numbers shown are fret numbers ;-)

Catch up with the rest later in the day ...

Cheers ... Rainbow:)

[Rainbow]

OK ... the remainder:

II--7 II--7 II--9 II--7 II--7 II--2 II--4 II--2
II--7 II--7 II--8 II--7 II--7 II--2 II--3 II--2
II--7 II--7 II--7 II--7 II--7 II--2 II--2 II--2
II--7 II--7 II--0 II--7 II--7 II--2 II--2 II--2
II--7 II--2
II--0 II--0


II--0 II--2 II--4 II--5 II--4 II--2 II--0 II--4/7 II--7
II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0/7 II--7
II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0/7 II--7
II--0 II--2 II--4 II--5 II--4 II--2 II--0 II--4/7 II--7
II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0 II--0/7 II--7
II--2 II--4 II--5 II--4 II--2 II--0 II--4 0 II--0


II--7 II--7 II--9 II--(11) II--9 II--7 II--9 II--7
II--7 II--7 II--8 II--(10) II--8 II--7 II--8 II--7
II--7 II--(7) II--(7) II-- (9) II--7 II--7 II--(7) II--(7)
II--7 II--(7) II--(7) II-- (9) II--7 II--7 II--(7) II--(7)
II--7
II--0


II--7 II--7 II--(7) II--7 II--7 II--7 7 II--7
II--7 II--8 II--(10) II--8 II--7 II--7 8 8 II--7
II--7 II--(9) II--(9) II--9 II--7 II--7 7 7 II--7 FIN :)
II--7 II--(7) II--(9) II--7 II--7 II--7 II--7
II--7 II--7 --7 II--7
II--0 II--0 II--7

* Please note there is no attempt at showing correct measures ... just chord/shapes and odd notes in between ... you'll need to listen to and play along with the track :wink:

Hope it's of some help though ...

Cheers ... Rainbow:)

[fuzzytnth3]

I have a print out of Roobens tab at home I will scan it and post it up. I just came across it the other day having forgotten I had it. Only problem was it was unusable as it didn't say what the tuning was, so your post has really helped thanks for that.

I also remember rooben giving details of Nick's string gauges and that the lowest string is actually from a piano string :cool: sadly with his site gone I've no idea what the gauges were and that info maybe crucial to not have overstressed strings or conversely flapping about strings.

[scotpaulabear]

Graeme, will this interview help?
http://www.houseofharper.co.uk/guitarint0802.htm

I actually have Nick's old Guitarspace page - with articles - archived at home, will try to ask him if I can put that up somewhere on the HOH...

[fuzzytnth3]

Graeme, will this interview help?
http://www.houseofharper.co.uk/guitarint0802.htm

Like everything else about him, Harper's Lowden is not quite what you might expect. "My guitar's a bit of a monster," he laughs. "It's tuned down to a low A with a .66 on the bottom, then I use a 53, 39, 24, 16, 13, which gives a massive sound. I use open tunings a lot - DADGAD, open D, dropped G, GGGGBD, and one that's open D with the top two strings up - so I've had banjo tuning pegs fitted.

I remember talking to Nick about his lowest string as he had said in an interview somewhere that during gigs he could feel his internal organs vibrate when he hit it. I asked what he tuned it to and he said B not A but as Nick says himself he's fairly loose about stuff :biggrin:

[quote=scotpaulabear;9159]
I actually have Nick's old Guitarspace page - with articles - archived at home, will try to ask him if I can put that up somewhere on the HOH...


oh that would be a lovely thing :thumbup1:

ps you sussed Rio on the Uke yet? Not that I'm nagging but I expect a rendition in April with Nick doing lead for ya :D

[scotpaulabear]

ps you sussed Rio on the Uke yet? Not that I'm nagging but I expect a rendition in April with Nick doing lead for ya :D

Considering I'll be in Boston that night, it could be a weeeeeee bit difficult :wink: But I'm working on it! And writing a thank you! *smooches*

[fuzzytnth3]

I have a print out of Roobens tab at home I will scan it and post it up.

Finally got round to doing this yea

here's a link to a PDF file (http://homepage.mac.com/fuzzytnth3/trapdoor/The_Verse_Time%20Forgot__Rooben.pdf)

You can reverse engineer how to tune your guitar by looking at the mostly open chord in the seventh bar and sussing out the actual notes from the music above. I will try to do it tonight and post it up.

[fuzzytnth3]

Considering I'll be in Boston that night, it could be a weeeeeee bit difficult :wink: But I'm working on it! And writing a thank you! *smooches*

Dooh that's a shame, have a good time in the US of A.

[fuzzytnth3]

You can reverse engineer how to tune your guitar by looking at the mostly open chord in the seventh bar and sussing out the actual notes from the music above. I will try to do it tonight and post it up.

Ok got round to posting up about the tuning. After much head scratching cos it's been awhile since I have read music notation you tune the guitar as follows

A D A D F# A

To achieve that tuning I suspect it would be worthwhile purchasing a new set of strings to cope with how low it goes.

To save time and to avoid buying a new set of strings I tweaked it up to a D from the A for the lowest string. While it doesn't give me the deep resonating internal body organ vibrations it did mean it was a fairly simple tweak to how my guitar was currently tuned to DADGAD to become

DGDGBD

Any road up I am now a very happy camper while I can't play it all yet I think it is doable although there are a couple tricky slid chords which you have to get the rhythm right for and just towards the end there is a tricky finger picking bit but with lots of practice I should get there although I may drive The Boss (her indoors) daft by playing the same song again and again over the forthcoming weeks :)

[fuzzytnth3]

If you want to stick to Nick's tuning then buy the following strings

'E' First string buy a 'G' to get an 'A'
'B' Second string buy a 'G' to get a 'F sharp'
'G' Third string buy a 'D' to get a 'D'
'D' Fourth string buy a 'A' or maybe a 'D' to get an 'B'
'A' Fifth string buy a 'A' to get a 'D'
'E' Sixth string buy a bass guitar string to get a internal organ vibrating 'B' :confused1:

[Rainbow]

Interesting tips on strings and the DGDGBD sounds like a promising optional tuning to get close to this one without risking doing damage to the electro-acoustic! Thanks 'fuzzy' ... will try this one again in that optional tuning when I have completed 'Miles Remains' ... still stuck on that one chord ... can't quite get it yet :(

Cheers ... Rainbow:)

[fuzzytnth3]

Thanks 'fuzzy' ... will try this one again in that optional tuning when I have completed 'Miles Remains' ... still stuck on that one chord ... can't quite get it yet :(
Cheers ... Rainbow:)

Re the tuning nae probs I've been wanting to get my head round this for ages and finally feel like I am making progress. I was hoping Nick would play it last night in Glasgow so I could keep pick up a few tips / pointers but it wasn't to be.

As for Miles Remains I've just read the other thread and shall have a bash at that tonight

[Rainbow]

Great ... I've worked on Miles for a couple of hours today and I've got a version that's close now ... but this is my first time at transcribing stuff so I'm sure welcoming any feedback ;)
I'll post the latest version tomorrow if I can get it organised.

Cheers ... Rainbow:)

[fuzzytnth3]

Interesting tips on strings and the DGDGBD sounds like a promising optional tuning

I just bought a book called (Reach for) Guitar on Tap and it lists the tuning I've described above as Open G Tuning but also known as "Spanish" tuning or "Keef" tuning (after Keith Richards).

Funnily enough the book doesn't mention Nick's tuning A D A D F# A but under the DADGAD tuning section it does mention Richard Thompson and our very own Nick as having used it on many of their recordings.

[aspwatterson]

RFQzvsmSb_4

c/a

[fuzzytnth3]

He strums the intro better than I do. Plus he is getting the full chord for the difficult "third position" chord which I can't always hit but I'm not using a capo which would make it easier. So his sounds better. Which just makes what Nick manages to do with his much smaller hands than my two shovels all the more amazing.

So thanks for that I hadn't noticed I was strumming the intro wrong.


ttfn

ps I tried to leave a link in the comments to this Thread but it wasn't working for me as someone was asking for the chords.

[justthebo]

i just stumbled on this site and the video on youtube is me, please forgive the bad singing!!!


stay cool
justthebo

[aspwatterson]

i just stumbled on this site and the video on youtube is me, please forgive the bad singing!!!stay cool
justthebo


Well you've stumbled into the right field for Harper stuff mate..it's your lucky day!

chrs
andi

[justthebo]

haha seems ya right there like!.........does anyone have any nick tabs?? anything at all? little snippets youve worked out? nick chords or riffs? does anyone have the 'she rules my world' tab off rooben??

maybe we cud start a works in progress thing? ive just been having a go at aeroplane and its starts with a c chord ( in nicks super low standard tuning )
then a bm chord...........


c
remembering my dad
bm
grabbing hold of my feet spinning me round........


maybe i shud of started new threads with all of this........



easy

[scotpaulabear]

Hello there! Lovely to have you on board :seeya:

Rooben (big Nick fan from Glasgow) had a site with Nick tabs, but it seems to be down - let me see if I can get in touch with him or find the archived version of it on the Wayback Machine :wink: (it's rooben.com if anyone wants to look!)

[pd]

I've copied the last two posts to a new "Nick Tabs" thread so more people are likely to spot it.

[fuzzytnth3]

haha seems ya right there like!.........does anyone have any nick tabs?? anything at all? little snippets youve worked out? nick chords or riffs? does anyone have the 'she rules my world' tab off rooben??
easy

The beginning of this thread has a link to one of Rooben's PDFs of The Verse Time Forgot I also have a copy of Riverside but I'm not sure if I have posted that up here in another thread. I shall check it out tonight and get it scanned if I haven't done it already.

All the best

[Uriel]

Oh Crikey! I just tried the proper tuning on my low-action parlour guitar with 12s on.
:D

[fuzzytnth3]

I'm guessing you now have a bunch of loose rubber bands dangling off your guitar :biggrin:

[Uriel]

Maybe EAEAC#E would work, with a capo on the 5th? I'm not a fan of tuning strings up from standard though.

I have no cutaway so high fret access could be an issue. With a capo at the 7th, it's a nightmare. Always going to be missing that low thump too.

Been thinking about an 'affordable' Nick copy guitar without resorting to Lowden. The Lag Autum Jumbos look the part, plus they have a pinless bridge and a solid cedar top. Just add some banjo pegs and see if Newtone will sell me a set of Nick Harper strings...

[fuzzytnth3]

D G D G B D works for me without any string gauge swapping :)

[Uriel]

Sounds fine for solo practice but how do you get along with singing that or playing along with the record?

[fuzzytnth3]

I seem to be able to sing it ok (although others may well disagree with that statement :wink: ) but obviously you can't play along to the CD as it's in a completely different key.

I see Justthebo on Youtube plays it with a capo and has a cutaway so I'm guessing he is in the same key as Mr Harpic.

My tuning is open strings and as I like you don't have a cutaway on my guitar it gets round that problem.

RFQzvsmSb_4

[aspwatterson]

If I close my eyes and listen to your voice it is so Harperesque!

cheers and have a happy one!
Andi

[justthebo]

not sure if im in the right key i just capo up to wherever i feel like singing at that moment.................just to confuse things i tune down a step anyway so when i tune down to g its f then capoed up to wherever x