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Nineteen fourty eightish...

Discussion in 'Words and Music' started by Shaun Woods, Jul 27, 2009.

  1. Shaun Woods

    Shaun Woods Computer stained fingers

    Yet again, got this song stuck in my head...

    Was wondering if any of you guys had any thoughts on how it is played...

    I was faffing around with DADGAD, but I dunno, still sounds a bit off...

    I know the main song is a downward progression from:-

    B-A-G-F C-E-A

    But the C-E-A just doesn't ring home right, I really don't know...

    Has anyone pissed about with this?
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2009
  2. SHAUN I

    SHAUN I It's so clear on the wings of the dawn

    Head scratching.

    I'm not a big guitar player, a mere beginner to be truthful. I set a mate of mine a challenge, he teaches the guitar and drums so I copied him a couple of Roy DVD's, unfortunately he is still scratching his head working out Once and Tom Tiddlers Ground, Roy certainly has a knack of stumping even the hardened accomplished guitarists'. I think he may have sussed the majority, but he is amazed at the tunings and he is another convert.
    Sorry, I know this doesn't help you Shaun :D :m8:

    Nineteen Forty Eightish
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  3. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier

    Dunno man but..

    Dunno man but tried searching Aaros site and on a diversion came up with this which I thought you may find entertaining?


    Roy could always sing high in those days..I need singing vocal chord lessons..perhaps it's too late?

    A good thread maybe YT Roy /Nick covers?

  4. Shane

    Shane Computer stained fingers

    i have never tried to play it but i reckon its in standard tuning.
  5. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier


    Well that clip deinitely ain#t in Standard.

  6. Dr_Doom_The_Optimist

    Dr_Doom_The_Optimist In a beautiful rambling mess

    I agree. I'm at work with no guitar and no music, but I can hear it in my head and it's standard tuning. I'd wager the chord just after "gives me the shakes" is Em. Is the verse not just based around Am?

  7. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier

    How on earth?

    HOE can it be Standard if a flat barre gives a chord? Impossibilities all-surrounding.

    c/a grumpagious grungy chordiality
  8. pete c

    pete c I've got a zappy little nappy

    I'm sure I've seen Roy play this in standard tuning.

    Am - Em - Am - Em - Dm for the verse

    can't remember the chorus bit but if I had a guitar here could probably work it out. It's all standard chords as far as I remember.
  9. SHAUN I

    SHAUN I It's so clear on the wings of the dawn

    I have it from another "reliable" source too, that it is most definitely not DADGAD and is standard tuning, hope you get it sussed sooner rather than later Shaun! :m8: :m8: :m8:
  10. Dr_Doom_The_Optimist

    Dr_Doom_The_Optimist In a beautiful rambling mess

    Which clip?

    I'm not sure what prompted you to say this (is this on the clip you mention?), but a standard-tuned guitar played open still gives a chord.

  11. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier


    Soz! Wires crossed with Tom Tiddly's Ground.

    What's the chord called then when you play Standard with no fingers on at all then? E something?

  12. NoCelebrity

    NoCelebrity Aye lad, I knew you had it in you

    E/C for me?

    What I know about music theory is the lowest note is where the name of a Chord begins. But an E with a 4th, 7th (minor/blues), 10th (minor), 12th and 15th (second octave up) is not a standard chord in my book.

    Call it E4,7,10,12,15?

    I see it as the best compromise for playing the most chords in the key of "C" without barring or stretching your fingers.

    My opinion is it's not a normal chord, but I also agree any combination of notes (no matter how awful sounding) IS a chord, even if it's too hard to name.

    Signed, Mr. Agreeable!:wink:
  13. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier

    Something for Shaun..





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  14. SHAUN I

    SHAUN I It's so clear on the wings of the dawn

    Linton Kwesi Johnson has always been a favourite artist of mine, Dread Beat An' Blood is a fantastic reggae album, I would highly recommend to anyone. Saw him live many moons ago. A (Jamacain born) politically driven poet who sang about the Brixton riots among other things, another artist who is a master of painting images with words, and really creating an atmosphere with music.

    Thanks Andi :m2:

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  15. Joao Nunnes

    Joao Nunnes I've got a zappy little nappy


    Hi guys.

    I'm YouTube's BadSpeech and I've uploaded around 50 Roy Harper guitar tutorials. I'm currently working on Ninety Forty Eightish and I found this thread.
    I share a lot of your doubts on this song.

    So this is what I think:

    I used to play this in standard tuning. But I used to do Hangman in standard tuning too and I was wrong (check my lesson on that song, if you want).

    So I started off with the idea that it might be in DADGAD but couldn't make it work.

    Then I tried a really weird tuning, following some barely audible harmonics at the beginning. But that wasn't working either and, besides, Roy is not much into really weird tunings.

    I'm now back to standard tuning. There are no big secrets about the chords. My problem is with the voicing. This is mostly due to that Ovation sound, loaded with effects – it makes it much more difficult to figure out.
    Those Am, G, Dm... can be done in different ways.

    Well, as soon as I'm happy with it, I will upload my tutorial of 1948ish, or at least my version of it.

    Meanwhile, any input would be welcome.

  16. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier

    Look forward to it..

    Yeah look forward to it..

    I found that coz I was in normal open D for decades with the F# and doing Roy's songs always wondered about it. Should have listened to his early Davy interviews about DADGAD.

    Amazingly, thanks to you, [I think?] found the Open Eminor tuning on a Capo and it was pure Roy without any effort.. btw r you in touch with the others that cover the Harps?

  17. Joao Nunnes

    Joao Nunnes I've got a zappy little nappy

    Hi there,

    You mean, Ninety Forty Eightish is in open Em tuning? I haven't tried that yet...
    First thing in the morning.

    Yes, since I started the BadSpeech channel I keep contact with a couple of guys that have tried a few Harper tunes.

  18. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier


    No, I was referring to this actually :


    I see what you mean though trying to find the tab for 1948ish, people have been trying before by the looks of it with no result..haven't checked Aaro's site yet...

    Andi :m23::m23:
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  19. Joao Nunnes

    Joao Nunnes I've got a zappy little nappy

    Hi Andi,

    Sorry to bother you with this again, but you seem to be the only one that replied.
    I've been burning my head with this song.
    I've arranged it in standard tuning and in dropD tuning. But I'm not happy.
    Right now I'm exploring the DADGAD option and beginning to believe that it may be the correct one.

    I noticed the above comment of yours. The clip is no longer available. Do you remember what it was about? And you mention a flat barre somewhere else, what did you mean? For some reason I think you may be right...

    I would really appreciate your help.

  20. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier


    Hi Bad Speech

    Shame the clip has been removed and I'm having trouble remembering it to be honest. Listening to some of the bass notes it sounds like D based especially when Jimmy plays along superbly on top like on Stormcock. There are few options that spring to mind, apart from requesting permission from the copyright owners mentioned,you could send a begging enquiry for info to Roy's Facebook run by Tracey or download software that can print out the musical score?

    Here's a beautiful tuning from Nick that's been mentioned and covered on here before in the Forum!


    If I find anymore info will keep you posted. Minor seventh open tuning perhaps?

    Chrs for noodles

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