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Stormcock (The album)

Discussion in 'General' started by Barry, Oct 1, 2007.

  1. Barry

    Barry Computer stained fingers

    I noticed that one of the comments on The Albert Hall site suggested that the album lacked the energy and emotion of the live versions, up to a point I have to agree in that the first side (vinyl) you get Hors d'ouvres and Same Old Rock which are as near to perfection as my ears have experienced; however side 2 is a little different, One man R&R band lacks the agression of the live versions and I much prefer the one on "In between every line". Me & my Woman is OK but again the version on Flashes... just has that energy and punch to it, the vocals are awesome and still send shivers down my spine 30 odd years after first hearing it.
    I know this is not a majority view and criticising Stormcock could be seen as sacrilege! I'd be interested in the opinions of others on this subject, I also eagerly await the reissue!
  2. Bob Jacobs

    Bob Jacobs Ride away in style

    In general, I tend to prefer live versions to studio versions for these very reasons but in some cases the lack of polish in the live versions seriously detract from the overall quality. I think the studio version of Stormcock, complete with David Bedford's string arrangements, and with Roy's singing controlled and in tune, is significantly better than the live versions on Flashes and In Between Every Line. You can get seriously lot and carried away by Stormcock. The live versions don't have this quality.
  3. pd

    pd Slightly Desperate Staff Member

    I have to say I agree with Bob. But I wonder if I might think differently if I'd seen him play those tracks live - and in "perfect" form - before I'd heard the album? A lot of what I love about music seems to be based around not only the music itself, of course, but also the circumstances. I used to listen to the vinyl in my old flat very loud indeed and get transported back to those days when I listen to it now.

    Maybe that's the answer Barry. You're not turning it up loud enough!
  4. Barry

    Barry Computer stained fingers

    Days gone by

    I certainly identify with that Paul, I used to listen to Flashes a lot (along with HQ & FB&B) during the long hot summer of '76 when I'd just discovered the delights Roy's music, and the live Me & my Woman takes me back to those far off carefree days of my long lost youth!
  5. Shane

    Shane Computer stained fingers

    I think the studio arrangements are more carefully crafted and restrained and subtle whereas the live versions of the songs tend to be, and need to be maybe, more fiery and intense and more immediate. Personally i think the live recordings dont stand up to repeated listening in quite the same way as the studio versions do. i love the version of M&MW on flashes but i think the studio version is still the definitive version. I recall that when roy and nick played this song live a few years back nick somehow managed to replicate the sound of the entire string section with his guitar!

    having said that i think the Flashes versions of Commune, 12 Hours and MCP blues are far better than the Valentine versions. I dont like the soppy string arrangements on Commune.
  6. Barry

    Barry Computer stained fingers


    I'm now checking out the Royal Festival Hall version of Me & my Woman which has orchestra and Nick, what a lovely day!:biggrin:
  7. Enjay

    Enjay The Old Git on the Bus

    Me and My Woman

    Halcyon days...

    The beginning of the seventies. Flushed with youth and the intoxication of marriage to a wonderful lady.

    (She's still wonderful, we celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary yesterday. Richard, our eldest lad, is 21 on October 6. A week of celebrations.)

  8. Barry

    Barry Computer stained fingers


    Congratulations to you both, 35 years is something to be proud of. Good to hear there is some positives in what must have been a difficult period what with the floods and job situation.
    I always think of your story about your Lifemask experience.
  9. aspwatterson

    aspwatterson The Unknown Soldier

    Live v recorded

    I always remember a friend remarking about a live Jimmy Page performance where the guitar was obviously going slightly out of tune during the extended song and he says it gave it extra character. Bit like dying from erosion I suppose captured for enduring posterity in the record of geological strata. When I start a song (without the luxury of a guitar tuner - electronically, or as a roadie, or with several guitars tuned up in different tunings) I can spend ages trying to get it in tune and adamantly refuse to play until I am satisfied (and not shizophrenic, if stoned) that every string is neither too sharp or flat. This can get on the listening audience's nerves and have had several old friends /acquaintances get totally exasperated and say 'Play bloody something then!' Do not be intimidated by their impatience... sometimes your ears/ mind freezes anyway (especially just before a nerve-racking gig) and you cannot concentrate on the job in hand. Some guitars go out of tune on the top strings as you are tuning up the bottom strings (is their a technical name for this?) and eventually you get used to each individual guitar's behaviour and accomodate accordingly or tune each string alternatively several times until it sounds an entity in tune (particularly in Open tunings). Bit like being married I suppose and getting used to yer other half's moods. My friend, who wishes to remain anonymous, has now solved the problem by purchasing a Solid-AL guitar which he claims has never had to be tuned for years (doubt it!), but it is so heavy it leaves a deep furrow in your leg.


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